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	<title>Comments on: When God Goes Bad: Shalom Auslander&#8217;s Memoir of Rotten Religion</title>
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		<title>By: John Halligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Halligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot, Jacqueline!  You made me pull my Merriam-Webster&#039;s Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition from it&#039;s place next to the bookend on the top of my desk and naturally all the books came crashing down because of your anthropomorphic remark!  Now my wife wants me to dust the whole desk &quot;not the way you usually do it, dusting around things, but the way I do it, taking everything off it or out of the slots, blah,blah, blah &quot; I suppose it&#039;s not all your fault.  A portion of it may be due to the clash of my gentile, classical Irish bloodlines (the finest in the world) with the Hungarian Draculinian (out of Cleveland) temperment of my beloved wife.  It&#039;s not to say that I don&#039;t wear the pants in the family...but she does tell me what pair to wear.  Ah, this all started back in Medford, MA in 1929, but that&#039;s another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot, Jacqueline!  You made me pull my Merriam-Webster&#8217;s Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition from it&#8217;s place next to the bookend on the top of my desk and naturally all the books came crashing down because of your anthropomorphic remark!  Now my wife wants me to dust the whole desk &#8220;not the way you usually do it, dusting around things, but the way I do it, taking everything off it or out of the slots, blah,blah, blah &#8221; I suppose it&#8217;s not all your fault.  A portion of it may be due to the clash of my gentile, classical Irish bloodlines (the finest in the world) with the Hungarian Draculinian (out of Cleveland) temperment of my beloved wife.  It&#8217;s not to say that I don&#8217;t wear the pants in the family&#8230;but she does tell me what pair to wear.  Ah, this all started back in Medford, MA in 1929, but that&#8217;s another story.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Surprised by God:&#8221; On Falling in Love with Religious Law : ReligionWriter.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Surprised by God:&#8221; On Falling in Love with Religious Law : ReligionWriter.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be a negative force in the world &#8212; I would very much like to discuss with her, for example, Shalom Auslander&#8217;s memoir about the horrors of growing up in his own dysfunctional, frum family. Finally, part of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be a negative force in the world &#8212; I would very much like to discuss with her, for example, Shalom Auslander&#8217;s memoir about the horrors of growing up in his own dysfunctional, frum family. Finally, part of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: washwords</title>
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		<dc:creator>washwords</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, very interesting - I hadn&#039;t heard of him at all and very much want to now. 

I agree with a lot of what your (very intelligent) reader/commenters are saying as are you yourself; hurt and hate can come from so many places. As Jacqueline says, it seems sad that hate/hurt cloaked in religion can turn one against it forever.  But by the same token, I&#039;m not sure that, for everyone, forgiving their religions, &quot;forgetting&quot; the scars is the ideal either, even were it possible. Perhaps Shalom&#039;s gift is in his humor, his secular writings, maybe he will find G-d that way, maybe he won&#039;t, but surely he is serving himself and those who love him by healing/helping himself first.

I just watched Sisters Magdalene about the Irish Catholic &quot;laundries&quot; for &quot;wayward girls&quot; and wow, it&#039;s hard to imagine they could ever return to their faith or see it positively.

One other tiny comment to Ruth. When you say &quot;non-Christian&quot; religions aren&#039;t the only ones that have laws that can be used to abuse... in other words &quot;Christian&quot; ones do, too... I get your point, I do but... 1) most Jews don&#039;t consider themselves Christian (so the Shalom example wouldn&#039;t apply really 2) I think like other posters say the point is that it WASN&#039;T the religious law that hurt Shalom but his family dynamic, alcoholism, coupled with orthodoxy more than any one rule of his religion.

I grew up hearing a lot about the importance of moderation in all things. Guess I still think that&#039;s true/wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, very interesting &#8211; I hadn&#8217;t heard of him at all and very much want to now. </p>
<p>I agree with a lot of what your (very intelligent) reader/commenters are saying as are you yourself; hurt and hate can come from so many places. As Jacqueline says, it seems sad that hate/hurt cloaked in religion can turn one against it forever.  But by the same token, I&#8217;m not sure that, for everyone, forgiving their religions, &#8220;forgetting&#8221; the scars is the ideal either, even were it possible. Perhaps Shalom&#8217;s gift is in his humor, his secular writings, maybe he will find G-d that way, maybe he won&#8217;t, but surely he is serving himself and those who love him by healing/helping himself first.</p>
<p>I just watched Sisters Magdalene about the Irish Catholic &#8220;laundries&#8221; for &#8220;wayward girls&#8221; and wow, it&#8217;s hard to imagine they could ever return to their faith or see it positively.</p>
<p>One other tiny comment to Ruth. When you say &#8220;non-Christian&#8221; religions aren&#8217;t the only ones that have laws that can be used to abuse&#8230; in other words &#8220;Christian&#8221; ones do, too&#8230; I get your point, I do but&#8230; 1) most Jews don&#8217;t consider themselves Christian (so the Shalom example wouldn&#8217;t apply really 2) I think like other posters say the point is that it WASN&#8217;T the religious law that hurt Shalom but his family dynamic, alcoholism, coupled with orthodoxy more than any one rule of his religion.</p>
<p>I grew up hearing a lot about the importance of moderation in all things. Guess I still think that&#8217;s true/wise.</p>
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		<title>By: jacqueline</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peace,

The problems inherent in the God As Father Figure psychological bait-and-switch was something that I had unearthed in my soul-searching before entering Islam.

For years, it had been a comfort to me- I looked to my Heavenly Father to stand in where my earthly father fell.  Yet, on a deeper level, embedded into my psyche was a distrust of God as Father because I&#039;d learned that fathers weren&#039;t good guys.  I am very grateful for uprooting that.  Islam&#039;s refusal to anthropomorphize God was thus a comfort to me.

Having been raised Southern Baptist, I can relate to many of the things Auslander has to say about orthodoxy.  I too rejected what had been handed to me-- thinking I was an independent thinker...
not so.
I had to learn to actually see the texts FOR MYSELF and not accept others&#039; interpretations of them as The Way- whether that meant following their interpretations of them, or rebelling against them.

I pray that Shalom (along with Hirshi Ali and her tribe) will be able to resolve the scars their families left behind... and realize that because abusers will use any means necessary to justify themselves and scapegoat others, does not mean its the religion&#039;s fault. I hope that he can be his name.

The exceptional gift that humans have that no other creature- even angels- have, is CHOICE.  You&#039;re spot on RW.  If folks are not allowed to choose for themselves, it causes deep scars as it is an affront against their very humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace,</p>
<p>The problems inherent in the God As Father Figure psychological bait-and-switch was something that I had unearthed in my soul-searching before entering Islam.</p>
<p>For years, it had been a comfort to me- I looked to my Heavenly Father to stand in where my earthly father fell.  Yet, on a deeper level, embedded into my psyche was a distrust of God as Father because I&#8217;d learned that fathers weren&#8217;t good guys.  I am very grateful for uprooting that.  Islam&#8217;s refusal to anthropomorphize God was thus a comfort to me.</p>
<p>Having been raised Southern Baptist, I can relate to many of the things Auslander has to say about orthodoxy.  I too rejected what had been handed to me&#8211; thinking I was an independent thinker&#8230;<br />
not so.<br />
I had to learn to actually see the texts FOR MYSELF and not accept others&#8217; interpretations of them as The Way- whether that meant following their interpretations of them, or rebelling against them.</p>
<p>I pray that Shalom (along with Hirshi Ali and her tribe) will be able to resolve the scars their families left behind&#8230; and realize that because abusers will use any means necessary to justify themselves and scapegoat others, does not mean its the religion&#8217;s fault. I hope that he can be his name.</p>
<p>The exceptional gift that humans have that no other creature- even angels- have, is CHOICE.  You&#8217;re spot on RW.  If folks are not allowed to choose for themselves, it causes deep scars as it is an affront against their very humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed reading this and had read another review of it, too, that sparked my interest.

But, &quot;Alcoholic father + ANYTHING = Nightmare&quot; in my opinion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed reading this and had read another review of it, too, that sparked my interest.</p>
<p>But, &#8220;Alcoholic father + ANYTHING = Nightmare&#8221; in my opinion!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabistan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a copy of this book for both me and my mom ... i want to have a mother-daughter bookclub thing with it. i heard him interviewed a few times and he is hysterical!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a copy of this book for both me and my mom &#8230; i want to have a mother-daughter bookclub thing with it. i heard him interviewed a few times and he is hysterical!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for an excellent review. You make some really good points about religion being a nightmare when there&#039;s no choice involved. And I think a lot of people forget that it&#039;s not just the non-Christian religions that have laws that can be used to abuse. I&#039;ve been reading another really great memoir by Susanna Barlow called What Peace There May Be, in which she tells the story of her childhood &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.susannabarlow.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;growing up in a fundamentalist home&lt;/a&gt; filled with practicing polygamists. It&#039;s a wonderful book that provides a lot of insight into the issue of polygamy and its effects on the children in those families. I think religion as a nightmare sums it up pretty well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for an excellent review. You make some really good points about religion being a nightmare when there&#8217;s no choice involved. And I think a lot of people forget that it&#8217;s not just the non-Christian religions that have laws that can be used to abuse. I&#8217;ve been reading another really great memoir by Susanna Barlow called What Peace There May Be, in which she tells the story of her childhood <a href="http://www.susannabarlow.com/" rel="nofollow">growing up in a fundamentalist home</a> filled with practicing polygamists. It&#8217;s a wonderful book that provides a lot of insight into the issue of polygamy and its effects on the children in those families. I think religion as a nightmare sums it up pretty well.</p>
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